“Comparing JVM Web Frameworks” – a response to Matt Raible
December 4, 2010 26 Comments
For the last few minutes I’ve been trying to post a comment on this blog post http://raibledesigns.com/rd/entry/my_everything_you_ever_wanted and the blog engine there (Roller) throws an exception. Matt links to one of my tweets as an example of the “anger” he has inspired. Here is my response, hopefully at least the blog pingback will register.
Matt, you’ve linked to one of my tweets as an example of the “anger” you have inspired, so I’ll comment.
I have no problem with the web-frameworks comparison presentation you have been making for a while, sure, it is probably highly entertaining in a conference setting, audience participation and all. For the record, I have never agreed with some of your conclusions, having followed your legendary presentation for the last four years or so, but that is another story altogether. Just one example is the fact that you gave Apache Wicket negative marks (was that 2007 or 2008?) because you couldn’t integrate Sitemesh (of all things), and you were trying to do this the night before your presentation. Many in the Wicket community remember this incident well.
What troubles me (and many others in the community) is that you give the impression that your ratings are based on objective information, but that is not true, see this tweet from you: http://twitter.com/mraible/status/9819312227352576. What you are doing is adjusting ratings based on who in the community shouts the loudest. I can’t help saying that this approach comes across as highly arrogant and condescending, you seem to expect framework developers and proponents to rush over and fawn over you to get better ratings, like waiters in a restaurant trying to impress a food-critic for Michelin stars. If you are truly someone who is qualified to evaluate the framework relative strengths and weaknesses, you should be able to come out with your conclusions and stick to them, instead of relying on “community feedback”.
So please, by all means continue to do your web-framework comparison song and dance at conferences and the like, but please stop this charade of serving as an objective source of information on web-framework comparison. You certainly do have a reputation and level of respect in the Java EE community, and I guess there are still many development teams and stakeholders who would blindly follow your advice and recommendations, which I find highly unfortunate (for example, don’t get me started on your recent SOFEA obsession ;).
It looks like you had a great time at the Rich Web Experience, I just hope you don’t add “conference ambience” as a rating factor, because in that case other frameworks don’t stand a chance against Spring MVC and Grails. Just saying.
Anyway, for those wondering if I am anywhere near qualified to comment as Matt Raible, please have a look at some of the work I have done here for example: http://code.google.com/p/perfbench/